Les (vraiment) vieux films

[rahoul]

Message précédent :
ben déjà faut leur laisser le temps de vieillir pour juger de leur impact...
mais je reconnais que la reprise de " plein soleil " ou " 3h10 pour Yuma " tiennent trés bien la route...

[Morti]

Bon vu que je ne retrouve plus le vieux sujet, je relance ici...

Je recherche toujours un film des années 50 je dirais, en N&B de toute façon.
L'histoire en résumé : un avion se crashe et un journaliste (ou un survivant ?) essaie de retrouver les proches des victimes. A chaque fois, on voit une tranche de vie de la personne concernée et l'une d'elle m'avait frappé.
Il s'agit d'une fille vedette de cinéma qui, lors d'un plongeon dans sa piscine, se cogne la tête et le traumatisme la rend paraplégique. A ce moment tout le monde la laisse tomber sauf un gars, Monsieur tout le monde, qui était amoureux d'elle et qui est resté. C'est lui qui meurt dans l'accident d'avion. Il avait un physique à la Groucho marx (dans mon souvenir).

Je signale que j'ai déjà demandé ici et dans les forum cinéphile de Nanarland...personne n'a trouvé...
L'accident d'avion est anecdotique, ce sont les rencontres qui sont importantes...

Le problème est que je n'ai aucune idée du casting ni du réalisateur mais c'est un film américain (ou anglais ?). J'ai dû voir ça à la télé vers 1958-1960...ce qui ne rajeunit personne...

Donc si ça vous dit quelque chose...

[Coldo3895]

Film français ? Américain ?

[Brian Addav]

toi aussi t'as pas retrouvé le sujet...

[Coldo3895]

J'ai cherché un peu sur IMDb, Phone Call from a Stranger pourrait correspondre. Pourvu que les années t'aient fait un peu mélanger l'histoire...

An East Coast lawyer (Gary Merrill) learns that his wife has been unfaithful. After a month of stressful uncertainty, he is unable to keep going in his marriage, and, despite pleas from his wife, decides to take a trip to Los Angeles to think things through. He gets on a plane that makes several stops along the way, and, because of inclement weather, there are delays and waits in waiting rooms and restaurants, where he strikes up conversations with three other travelers, a struggling actress (Shelley Winters), an alcoholic doctor (Michael Rennie), and a clownish traveling salesman (Keenan Wynn). While talking to his fellow passengers, he learns intimate details of their lives, their loves, their personal tragedies and failures. They become bound by the confidences and promise each other that they will meet again in the future to see what life has brought them. The plane crashes near LA, and the lawyer is the only survivor of the four. In his hotel room after being patched up in a hospital he reaches into his pocket, finds the addresses and names that had been given to him, and he feels the need to contact the families of the deceased in order to share details about what the three were thinking and planning during their last day of life. In his three separate visits he learns more about the lives of the deceased, and while sharing what he knows he does bring comfort and closure to the families. In the process, his own views on love, forgiveness, success and a life well lived are transformed.

[HOCHET Gabriel]

Il passe lundi sur TCM : http://tcmcinema.fr/films/fiche/le-seig ... erre-95077

PUTAIN..... Trop trop fort, là le jolan...... Je crois bien que c’est ça....

La star que j’arrivais pas à situer, il me semble bien maintenant que c’est Charlton Heston.
Donc, lundi qui viens, sur TCM....
C’est marrant, il suffit de parler d’un truc... Et mes potes qui me rabâchent que j’ai le cul bordé de nouilles.....
Jolan....

You're welcome mon ancien traiteur de con
Mais à partit du moment où tu venais de retrouver le titre, ce n'était plus si compliqué que cela, et comme je viens de m'abonner à TCM, je l'ai vu il y a une dizaine de jours...

je l’ai enregistré sur mon graveur, hier, mais vu que je part à Angoulème, je ne le verrai qu’à mon retour. Et c’est seulement là que je pourrai te dire s’il s’agit bien de ce film.

[MacCabbe]

ben déjà faut leur laisser le temps de vieillir pour juger de leur impact...
mais je reconnais que la reprise de " plein soleil " ou " 3h10 pour Yuma " tiennent trés bien la route...

Heeeeeuuuuuuuuu ! La paix de Rahoul t'a tapé un poil fort sur le crâne. Moi j'ai trouvé ça plus que médiocre, le remake de 3:10. C'était pas vraiment utile de le refaire, surtout pour faire ça...

Et Plein Soleil, c'est quoi ? Je n'arrive pas à remettre la main sur le titre original...

[Morti]

ben déjà faut leur laisser le temps de vieillir pour juger de leur impact...
mais je reconnais que la reprise de " plein soleil " ou " 3h10 pour Yuma " tiennent trés bien la route...

Heeeeeuuuuuuuuu ! La paix de Rahoul t'a tapé un poil fort sur le crâne. Moi j'ai trouvé ça plus que médiocre, le remake de 3:10. C'était pas vraiment utile de le refaire, surtout pour faire ça...

Et Plein Soleil, c'est quoi ? Je n'arrive pas à remettre la main sur le titre original...

The talented Mr Ripley avec Matt Damon, non ?

[Brian Addav]

le talentueux mr ripley avec damon et jude law...

et là aussi ça a tapé fort sur le crâne...

poutré!

[Coldo3895]

Bon alors Morti, c'est-y ou c'est-y-pas Phone Call from a Stranger, le film que tu cherches ?... D'après le message que j'ai posté ci-dessus, ça pourrait coller.

[Morti]

J'ai cherché un peu sur IMDb, Phone Call from a Stranger pourrait correspondre. Pourvu que les années t'aient fait un peu mélanger l'histoire...

An East Coast lawyer (Gary Merrill) learns that his wife has been unfaithful. After a month of stressful uncertainty, he is unable to keep going in his marriage, and, despite pleas from his wife, decides to take a trip to Los Angeles to think things through. He gets on a plane that makes several stops along the way, and, because of inclement weather, there are delays and waits in waiting rooms and restaurants, where he strikes up conversations with three other travelers, a struggling actress (Shelley Winters), an alcoholic doctor (Michael Rennie), and a clownish traveling salesman (Keenan Wynn). While talking to his fellow passengers, he learns intimate details of their lives, their loves, their personal tragedies and failures. They become bound by the confidences and promise each other that they will meet again in the future to see what life has brought them. The plane crashes near LA, and the lawyer is the only survivor of the four. In his hotel room after being patched up in a hospital he reaches into his pocket, finds the addresses and names that had been given to him, and he feels the need to contact the families of the deceased in order to share details about what the three were thinking and planning during their last day of life. In his three separate visits he learns more about the lives of the deceased, and while sharing what he knows he does bring comfort and closure to the families. In the process, his own views on love, forgiveness, success and a life well lived are transformed.

Whow put... de N.. de D.., ça a l'air d'être ça...

Près de 50 ans que je cherche à le revoir...et lui, comme ça, hop, un p'tit coup de IMDB et il me le trouve.
Le résumé correspond tout à fait à mon souvenir...je vais illico essayer de trouver ça...

Si c'est le cas, tu as ma reconnaissance éternelle...

[Brian Addav]

grossss jalousie là...

[jmc95]

Phone Call from a Stranger/Appel d'un inconnu (1952), ça se confirme.
Trouvé un résumé plus conséquent qui détaille les sous-intrigues (dont la fille paralysée à la suite de son accident, jouée au passage par Bette Davis).
Je te le mets en spoiler au cas ou tu voudrais redécouvrir le film sans trop d'infos, mais tout y est.

[Révéler] Spoiler:

Leaving his wife and two young daughters attorney David Trask, Gary Merrill,takes a plane to L.A to run away from his family but on the flight meets three passengers who are going back to theirs. Getting to know salesman Eddie Hoke, Keenan Wynn, David is a bit taken by his overly friendly attitude and in your face antics. David as well as the two other passengers that he get's to know on the flight night-club singer Binky Carr, Shelly Winters, and physician Robert Fortness, Michael Rennie, all form a kind of support group for each other that in the end will turn David's life around.
After his wife Jane, Helen Westott, admitted having an affair with another man David just couldn't live with her anymore and made the decision to leave her and start a new life on the west coast. With the plane taking off from Vaga Utah after a long delay it ended up crashing in the desert with only three of the 21 passengers surviving one of them being David Trask.
Feeling guilty because he lived while other's, in David's opinion, who had much more to live for perished David took it upon himself to contact the families of the three persons who were killed, that he met on the plane, and help them in their grief. As fate would have it it was David more then the families of the crash victims that would be helped by his heart-felt feelings of sympathy for them. David get's to know the demons that were plaguing Dr. Fortness for some five years. The fact that he and his wife Claire, Betrice Straight, had kept the truth from their teen-age son Jerry, Ted Donaldson, that had led him to almost destroy his life. David also got to know the suffering that show girl Binky Carr was going through with her mother-in-law, Sallie Carr,Evelyn Varden, and how she was out to destroy Binky's marriage with her husband singer Mike Carr, Craig Stevens.
Despite the very intense and nerve-wrecking problems that both Dr. Fortness and Binky Carr were going through they both were ready to get back and confront and overcome them unlike David who's running away from his. David in his own way got to get both Mrs. Fortness and her son Jerry, who was running away from home, together when he told Jerry the truth about his dad. Which his mom didn't have the heart to do. How his dad was now willing to face the music for the damage that he did but it was his tragic death that has kept that from happening. Jerry realizing the truth that was kept from him all these years now also realized that his mother was really looking after his well being, not ignoring him, and sob-fully came back home this time to stay.
It was the same thing that happened when David came to see Binky's mother-in-law Sallie and her son, Binky's husband, Mike who at the time didn't know that Binky was killed in a plane crash. Unknown to Mrs. Carr Binky was very instrumental in getting Sallie a once in a lifetime role in a major Broadway play that jump started her almost non-existence show biz career. All this time Sallie thought that Binky was only after her and her son's money. The fact that she wasn't and only wanted Sallie to love her like she was her own daughter devastated both her and Mike who later found out not only what happened to Binky but what a heel he was in trying to sere divorce papers on her.
It was really David's talk with Eddie Hoke's widow Marie, Bette Davis, that shown him the light and what a great hurt he was doing to both his wife Jane and his two young daughters by leaving them. Marie was a beautiful woman who was also cheating behind Eddie's back with Marty, Warren Stevens. When Marty left her after she suffered a sever diving accident ,that left Marie paralyzed from the waist down, Eddie never once thought of what Marie did to but came right back to her helping Marie overcome both the psychical and mental trauma that she was going through.
That last visit with Marie showed David that he was acting against his own, as well as his families, best interests. It was his being influenced by the talkative and somewhat goofy Eddie Hoke on that fateful plane ride that turned his life completely around and for the better. David gets on the phone and frantically calling a very concerned and worried Jane to tell her almost in tears that he's coming back to stay. You can see the look on Marie's face, as the movie comes to an end, knowing that her late and wonderful husband Eddie had not only saved her from a life of hurt and depression but David's as well. Eddie's jolly honest and good natured conversation together with what she told David about him saved David and his family from the same sorry fate that Marie was once facing, That made David see that there's no absolutes in life since life like the lives of him and the people that he both met and got to know on the plane is anything but perfect.

[rahoul]

le talentueux mr ripley avec damon et jude law...

et là aussi ça a tapé fort sur le crâne...

poutré!

vi c'est ce film là, j'aurai du préciser...

meme avec une poutre, meme po mal !
et comme je le disais précédement: " no brain ? no headaches ! "

pour " 3h10 ", c'est vrai que dans l'ensemble, la violence est choquante, mais réaliste, loin du code Hayes( ça s'écrit comme ça ? )
mais je trouvais tous les personnages assez construits, complexes, ambigus à souhait...
et la fin est surprenante, loin des stéréotypes, et bien ouverte...

mais j'avoue ne plus me souvenir très bien de l'original

[Brian Addav]

Puisqu'il y a des types forts...

tiens, du coup, un vieux film en couleur, style peplum ou film de corsaire/pirate, avec une histoire d'amour impossible, je sais pas trop quoi, l'attaque finale d'un fort dans le désert, et le héros, ou l'héroïne qui meurt emprisonné(e), le sable la recouvre, on est voit dans le générique sa main toujours sortir du sable, avec une bague, qui se transforme en squelette...
ça te dit qq chose ?

[Morti]

Oui oui ça a l'air d'être ça...malheureusement il n'est disponible qu'en import zone 1...
Il me reste à surveiller Ciné Classic sur le câble...j'ai bien revu La planète des tempêtes qui date de la même époque...et que je cherchais en vain.
'tain, j'en reviens pas...
En plus j'ai l'air con..."je ne sais plus de qui ni avec qui"...Jean Negulesco et Bette Davis, rien que ça...

Encore merci en tout cas...

[HOCHET Gabriel]

le talentueux mr ripley avec damon et jude law...

et là aussi ça a tapé fort sur le crâne...

poutré!

vi c'est ce film là, j'aurai du préciser...

meme avec une poutre, meme po mal !
et comme je le disais précédement: " no brain ? no headaches ! "

pour " 3h10 ", c'est vrai que dans l'ensemble, la violence est choquante, mais réaliste, loin du code Hayes( ça s'écrit comme ça ? )
mais je trouvais tous les personnages assez construits, complexes, ambigus à souhait...
et la fin est surprenante, loin des stéréotypes, et bien ouverte...

mais j'avoue ne plus me souvenir très bien de l'original

Si je compare le souvenir, très net, que j’ai de l’original, et la bande annonce du remake.... Y’a pas photo, au détriment du remake.... Mais bon, c’est pas du jeu....

[rahoul]

raconte nous , Tonton Gaby la belle histoire !( la fin en spoiler surtout !)

[HOCHET Gabriel]

Oh lala.... ça remonte à combien de jours ça ?....
Bon, je cherche....

[HOCHET Gabriel]

Pas trouvé.....
What about are you speaking..... mon gars.....

[rahoul]

Si je compare le souvenir, très net, que j’ai de l’original, et la bande annonce du remake.... Y’a pas photo, au détriment du remake.... Mais bon, c’est pas du jeu....

'tain, quand j'ai vu que tu répondais déjà, je m'attendais à connaitre le fin mot de l'histoire, là !
je suis déçuuuuuu !