Brian Addav a écrit:Si papi casse sa pipe, elle devient de facto présidente...
Je ne parlais que des élections, bien sûr.
Biden devient gâteux, mais ce n’est pas un risque mortel à court terme.
de Philemon » 14/02/2024 13:53
Brian Addav a écrit:Si papi casse sa pipe, elle devient de facto présidente...
de HOCHET Gabriel » 14/02/2024 14:48
de toine74 » 14/02/2024 15:43
Do not read too much into Biden, Trump verbal stumbles, experts caution
Feb 14 (Reuters) - Experts on aging caution against concluding that U.S. President Joe Biden and his Republican rival Donald Trump are suffering from cognitive decline based on their verbal slip-ups, saying that mixing up names or dates does not necessarily mean a deterioration in mental acuity.
Biden, 81, a Democrat running for re-election in November, and former President Trump, 77, his likely challenger, have accused each other of mental decline. Trump's last rival for the Republican nomination, 52-year-old Nikki Haley, has said both men are too old to occupy the White House and should be subjected to cognitive tests.
Five aging experts interviewed by Reuters stressed cognitive assessments can only be made by doctors via special in-person examinations and tests, and warned that judging candidates' mental acuity from news clips and interviews can be dangerously inaccurate and misleading. They said that the U.S. public and media risk becoming a nation of armchair gerontologists.
"We make mistakes. The probability of slip-ups rises as we get older. That has nothing to do with judgment," said S. Jay Olshansky, a professor in the School of Public Health at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
"Someone commenting on Trump turning right when he should have turned left? Big deal. Tripping? Join the club. A misspoken word? It happens to all of us. None of us would survive a 24/7 camera."
Age has nonetheless become a major issue in this election, especially for Biden, the oldest person ever to occupy the Oval Office. Some 78% of respondents in a new Reuters/Ipsos poll published Tuesday - including 71% of Democrats - think Biden is too old to work in government. Trump suffers less from voter skepticism over his age; 53% of respondents consider him to be too old for government work.
Some 62% of respondents, and 37% of Democrats, said Biden was not mentally sharp and able to deal with challenges. Some 47% of respondents and 19% of Republicans said Trump was not.
The age issue was thrust front and center again after Special Counsel Robert Hur, a Republican former U.S. attorney in Maryland during Trump's administration, said in his report on Biden's handling of classified documents last week that Biden was a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" who was not able to recall to investigators when his son, Beau Biden, died.
Biden angrily denied Hur's allegations about his memory, saying in a White House appearance that "my memory's fine." However, in the same speech, he confused the president of Mexico for Egypt's.
Officials including Vice President Kamala Harris and Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas say that Biden appears sharp and on top of things in calls and meetings.
Trump has recently made some verbal slip-ups too. During a speech on Jan. 19 he confused Haley with former Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. He also suggested former Democratic President Barack Obama was still in office.
Elliott M. Stein, a geriatric psychiatrist based in California, said misstatements can be due to a number of things, including a bad night's sleep or being distracted.
"This is especially true of someone who is under time pressures or situation pressures, or being interviewed or in the public eye," Stein said.
Trump regularly gives speeches of one to two hours, during which he frequently veers off his teleprompter.
Dr. Eric Lenze, head of the department of psychiatry at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, said the focus should not be just on mistakes.
"It's also what someone gets right. Did they say 25 things right and one thing wrong, then that's pretty darn good. Look at what they're getting right, especially in spontaneous speeches," said Lenze.
MEDICAL RECORDS SCRUTINIZED
Biden is, by the numbers, a remarkably healthy American man. He exercises five times a week, has never smoked or drank and his blood pressure and body mass index, at 126/78 and 24.1, respectively, according to his 2023 physical, would be great numbers for a much younger man, medical experts say.
At Monday's White House briefing, spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre said Biden would have a physical exam, as previously scheduled, but said she didn't have a timeline for it.
When asked whether Biden would be taking a cognitive test, Jean-Pierre appeared to say he would not. "The president proves every day how he operates, how he thinks — right? — by dealing with world leaders, by making really difficult decisions on behalf of the American people."
Trump's physician wrote in a note released in November that the former president is in "excellent health" and that "he will continue to enjoy a healthy active lifestyle for many years."
The note, which was signed by Bruce Aronwald, an osteopath from New Jersey, provided very few details. A Trump physician, Harold Bornstein, who produced a similar note released in 2015, said that Trump had dictated its contents.
A 2020 paper published by University of Illinois' Olshansky and colleagues analyzed Trump and Biden's medical records and concluded that they were both in broadly good health and had family histories of longevity.
"There is suggestive evidence that both candidates are likely to be 'super agers,'" the researchers said. However, the paper noted that Biden appeared to have better diet and exercise regimens than Trump.
Olshansky said he hoped to repeat the study over the summer, pending fresh medical records.
Asked for Trump's most recent medical records and whether he would be taking a cognitive test, the Trump campaign pointed to the physician's note in November. Spokesperson Steven Cheung added that Trump will “out work” Biden.
de Brian Addav » 14/02/2024 17:04
Philemon a écrit:Brian Addav a écrit:Si papi casse sa pipe, elle devient de facto présidente...
Je ne parlais que des élections, bien sûr.
Biden devient gâteux, mais ce n’est pas un risque mortel à court terme.
de Mr Degryse » 14/02/2024 17:48
de Olaf Le Bou » 14/02/2024 17:54
de Mr Degryse » 14/02/2024 18:11
de tous les risques potentiels que l'élection de Trump peut faire craindre, ceux liés à son âge sont vraiment les moindres.
de toine74 » 14/02/2024 18:17
Brian Addav a écrit:Philemon a écrit:Brian Addav a écrit:Si papi casse sa pipe, elle devient de facto présidente...
Je ne parlais que des élections, bien sûr.
Biden devient gâteux, mais ce n’est pas un risque mortel à court terme.
On est plus sur un pb simple de papy gateux. Depuis son élection, le mec a de gros problèmes, moteur, d'orientation, de paroles, de mémoires.
de Brian Addav » 14/02/2024 18:47
de Ocatarinetabelatchixtchix » 14/02/2024 19:02
toine74 a écrit:Tout le monde bredouille ou fait des lapsus de temps en temps. Est-ce qu'on les relève à chaque fois ? Non, évidemment.
de toine74 » 14/02/2024 19:09
de Ocatarinetabelatchixtchix » 14/02/2024 19:14
de toine74 » 14/02/2024 19:18
de Olaf Le Bou » 14/02/2024 19:32
de corbulon » 14/02/2024 20:08
de Brian Addav » 14/02/2024 20:13
Brian Addav a écrit:Vu que c'est la journée Biden :
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68245617US President Joe Biden was found by a special counsel to have "wilfully retained and disclosed classified materials" but he will not face charges.A Special Counsel report said he had kept secret documents related to military and foreign policy in Afghanistan after serving as vice-president until 2017.
But they said it would be difficult to convict Mr Biden as he comes across as an "elderly man with a poor memory".
Autant dire que les Républicains se sont emparé du truc pour jouer avec là...
Mr Hur's report also said Mr Biden's memory seemed to have "significant limitations" during interviews. He could not recall when he was vice-president (from 2009-2017), or "even within several years, when his son Beau died" (2015), the investigation said.
It added: "And his memory appeared hazy when describing the Afghanistan debate that was once so important to him."
de toine74 » 14/02/2024 20:14
Olaf Le Bou a écrit:qu'il soit malade ou pas n'est pas la question, ou n'est plus la question, les média ne le lâcheront plus et rapporteront / amplifieront la moindre anicroche pour achever de convaincre l'opinion publique, et les rares qui ont encore confiance auront le doute en tête quand il s'agira de le reconduire pour 4 années supplémentaires.
corbulon a écrit:Oui enfin actuellement le principal obstacle à sa réélection, c’est sa complicité dans le massacre de la population gazaouite par Israël, qui est en train de lui faire perdre le soutien d’une grande partie de sa base électorale.
de toine74 » 14/02/2024 20:21
Brian Addav a écrit:...Mr Hur's report also said Mr Biden's memory seemed to have "significant limitations" during interviews. He could not recall when he was vice-president (from 2009-2017), or "even within several years, when his son Beau died" (2015), the investigation said.
It added: "And his memory appeared hazy when describing the Afghanistan debate that was once so important to him."
Remarquez que je ne présuppose pas de quoi souffrirait Biden, encore une fois, je dis juste qu'on est face à qq chose de plus grave que qq lapsus, du papy gâteux, etc...
Five aging experts interviewed by Reuters stressed cognitive assessments can only be made by doctors via special in-person examinations and tests, and warned that judging candidates' mental acuity from news clips and interviews can be dangerously inaccurate and misleading. They said that the U.S. public and media risk becoming a nation of armchair gerontologists.
de Brian Addav » 14/02/2024 20:30
toine74 a écrit:De seem, tu conclus directement à quelque chose de plus grave.
Mr Hur's report also said Mr Biden's memory seemed to have "significant limitations" during interviews. He could not recall when he was vice-president (from 2009-2017), or "even within several years, when his son Beau died" (2015), the investigation said.
It added: "And his memory appeared hazy when describing the Afghanistan debate that was once so important to him."
de toine74 » 14/02/2024 20:33
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